Kashgar to Lhasa

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Kashgar to Lhasa

Postby eliottsmithfan » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:25 am

Hello Caravanistan folk!

Great website, whatever is left from my travel budget, i will set something aside to make a donation!

My question: Is there anyone with (preferably recent) travel experience from Kashgar to Lhasa over land? If everything goes as planned, I will be cycling from Kyrgyzstan, but I have yet to arrange my Chinese visum (I think Tashkent is my best bet) and i am not counting on more than a one month visum. İ would like to get on any kind of transportation (train, truck hitch, bus (it is required that it takes a bicycle)) as soon as possible and preferably also relatively budget friendly. I would pick up cycling again in Lhasa and head for Kathmandu.

I believe there are two options:

1. The only official one seems to go via Golmud. How long should it take and how much should it cost me (Travel permit included)?

2. The other via Ali. I've read cyclists have travelled this road crossing checkpoints under the cover of night, and 'regularizing' their illegal status in Ali, but is there any kind of transportation running on that arduous road and can permits be arranged without hiring the expensive 4X4 car and driver? Again, how long should it take and what would be the cost?

It will take me at least two more months to get to Kashgar, but if İ ever reach there, İt would be extremely helpful to have at least some kind of plan so any information is most wanted!

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Re: Kashgar to Lhasa

Postby steven » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:18 am

Hi elliotsmithfan (nice choice for a name!),

and thanks for the compliment, we sincerely hope you won't spend your last money on a pricey Big Mac in Lhasa! :D

I am personally out of my depth here, and I don't know who here could answer such a specific question. So someone will hopefully still chime in. If not, please let us know what you did, I know this stuff is tricky for non-Chinese.

Where are you now? Gives me an indication of the timeframe for figuring out this question.
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Re: Kashgar to Lhasa

Postby eliottsmithfan » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:44 pm

Hi Steven! No big mac in Lhasa, you have my word!
İ am now in Erzurum. Roughly scheduled İ count on one month İran and one month in Central Asia combining cycling and public transportation. Hence İ should be on China's doorsteps somewhere in the course of october (either before or after the Chinese national holidays week).
Btw, locals here advise against cycling up to the İran border nowadays so I will take the bus from here. I can not really assess whether the threat is real but awareness is never a bad thing!
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Re: Kashgar to Lhasa

Postby bwv812 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:26 pm

eliottsmithfan wrote:My question: Is there anyone with (preferably recent) travel experience from Kashgar to Lhasa over land? If everything goes as planned, I will be cycling from Kyrgyzstan, but I have yet to arrange my Chinese visum (I think Tashkent is my best bet) and i am not counting on more than a one month visum. İ would like to get on any kind of transportation (train, truck hitch, bus (it is required that it takes a bicycle)) as soon as possible and preferably also relatively budget friendly. I would pick up cycling again in Lhasa and head for Kathmandu.

I believe there are two options:

1. The only official one seems to go via Golmud. How long should it take and how much should it cost me (Travel permit included)?

2. The other via Ali. I've read cyclists have travelled this road crossing checkpoints under the cover of night, and 'regularizing' their illegal status in Ali, but is there any kind of transportation running on that arduous road and can permits be arranged without hiring the expensive 4X4 car and driver? Again, how long should it take and what would be the cost?


I honestly don't see this plan working out unless you have gobs of money to spend. All foreigner travel to Tibet (outside of Lhasa) requires a guide and a private car. I have heard of people cycling in Tibet... just that they need to be closely accompanied by a support vehicle and guide as they cycle.

I have enormous difficulty believing people can get their status "normalized" after they sneak in. The more normal result for unauthorized incursion into Tibet is detainment and expulsion, and that's without them essentially turning themselves in to the PSB as illegal entrants.

http://www.thelandofsnows.com/2015-tibe ... gulations/
http://www.thelandofsnows.com/faqs-on-travel-in-tibet/
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Re: Kashgar to Lhasa

Postby steven » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:49 am

eliottsmithfan wrote:Btw, locals here advise against cycling up to the İran border nowadays so I will take the bus from here. I can not really assess whether the threat is real but awareness is never a bad thing!


I am also not following the recent attacks by Turkey on Kurds, but it seems to be Iraq-only AFAIK. But still, best to be careful.

bwv812 wrote:I have enormous difficulty believing people can get their status "normalized" after they sneak in. The more normal result for unauthorized incursion into Tibet is detainment and expulsion, and that's without them essentially turning themselves in to the PSB as illegal entrants.


Seems like elliotsmithfan perhaps knows more? I know lots of people have been detained in the past, but I have also heard recently of people traveling with Chinese backpackers who got through, although I am not sure of the details. Anyway, as has often been said, the best place for Tibetan culture is outside of Tibet.
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Re: Kashgar to Lhasa

Postby carabruan » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:33 am

We are two cyclists from Europe and are now already two months in China. We were not able to cycle to Lhasa. Here is the information we got in Kashgar and in Chengdu:
only mainland chinese people are allowed to cycle to Lhasa. The far most popular way is from Chengdu-Kangding-Litang on the G318. There are many many chinese cyclist on the road. We met many of them. In earlier days one could obviously travel on a faked ID Card, as long as one looked like a chinese, but in this days is not possible any more, because they scan the ID card.

If you like to experience the tibetean culture and also the mountainous roads with great views you can cycle the road from Chengdu-Kangding-Litang-Shangrila-Lijiang-Dali-Kunming. It is not a easy going road and you will cover many many up and downs, but still well worth to do. Good luck and take care. May be see you one day on the road.
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