Hi all,
I crossed the border from Kazakhstan to China via Khorgos four days ago.
I took the bus from Almaty (Sayran station) to Yining. I bought my ticket at the station two days before, 12,000 Tenge. Departure at 7 a.m., crossing the border around 12 p.m., arriving in Yining around 8:30 p.m. There's definitely two bus companies and I think the other one has departures at 8:00 and 10:30. In any case take snacks with you!
I chose to sleep two nights in Yining not to rush, but I think it's possible to catch a night train to Urumqi the same day. The Almaty/Urumqi train has still not resumed since COVID.
On the Kazak side it was very easy, passport check and baggage scan. On the Chinese side, you fill out a Health Declaration at the terminals upon arrival. For me it was done on automatic screens where you just scan your passport, I didn't need to use my phone. Also an Arrival Card to fill out. For address and telephone number I put those of my hotel in Yining and it worked. About ten minutes of questions at passport check (What's your job? Why are you unemployed now? How long do you want to stay? What cities will you visit? etc. so be ready to answer a few questions about your itinerary even if it means lying a little, do not say that you'll be staying a while in Xinjiang), fingerprints taken. Rechecked the bags and it was good. No bag or phone searches. Note that most of the staff speak at least a little English, but just in case I advise you to download Chinese as a language on Google trad, so if necessary you can do translation even offline.
We got out of the bus with the bags the first time on the Kazak side, then we got back in, then we came out again on the Chinese side, then we got back up for the rest of the journey to Yining. There are passengers from other buses passing at the same time, so try and remember what the bus looks like, and then the faces of some passengers on your bus
In Yining I stayed at Stop Youth hostel which you can book on Trip, they accept foreigners. Also to note that I've had zero police checks since I've entered the country.
Keep in mind that getting a SIM card in Xinjiang is very challenging. Without internet you won't be able to use WeChat or Alipay not order Didi taxis. It's not impossible to survive without this but it will make your life more difficult, so either be patient and try and get a SIM in Xinjiang (you'll need to translate your passport in Chinese), or have a foreign SIM card that allows cheap roaming in China.
Top tip if some reason you cannot link your bank card to Alipay/WeChat or payment doesn't always work, you can create a virtual bank card with the Shanghai bank by looking for the "Tour Card" mini app on Alipay. You then just have to top up that card and link it to your accounts, works great for me. Also if you have Android, download the Gaode Map/Amap app, it's in Chinese but it has lots of details and includes public transport. And remember to download and install a VPN before you go, Astrill is the one recommend by all expats.
Happy travels !
Almaty-Yining-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
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Re: Yining-Almaty bus Q&A
Hi all,
I crossed the border from Kazakhstan to China via Khorgos four days ago.
I took a bus from Almaty (Sayran station) to Yining. I bought my ticket at the station two days before, 12,000 Tenge. Departure at 7 a.m., crossing the border around 12 p.m., arriving in Yining around 8:30 p.m. There's definitely two bus companies and I think the other one has departures at 8:00 and 10:30. In any case take snacks with you!
I chose to sleep two nights in Yining not to rush, but I think it's possible to catch a night train to Urumqi the same day. The Almaty/Urumqi train has still not resumed since COVID.
On the Kazak side it was very easy, passport check and baggage scan. On the Chinese side, you fill out a Health Declaration at the terminals upon arrival. For me it was done on automatic screens where you just scan your passport, I didn't need to use my phone. Also an Arrival Card to fill out. For address and telephone number I put those of my hotel in Yining and it worked. About ten minutes of questions at passport check (What's your job? Why are you unemployed now? How long do you want to stay? What cities will you visit? etc. so be ready to answer a few questions about your itinerary even if it means lying a little, do not say that you'll be staying a while in Xinjiang), fingerprints taken. Rechecked the bags and it was good. No bag or phone searches. Note that most of the staff speak at least a little English, but just in case I advise you to download Chinese as a language on Google trad, so if necessary you can do translation even offline.
We got out of the bus with the bags the first time on the Kazak side, then we got back in, then we came out again on the Chinese side, then we got back up for the rest of the journey to Yining. There are passengers from other buses passing at the same time, so try and remember what the bus looks like, and then the faces of some passengers on your bus
In Yining I stayed at Stop Youth hostel which you can book on Trip, they accept foreigners. Also to note that I've had zero police checks since I've entered the country.
Keep in mind that getting a SIM card in Xinjiang is very challenging. Without internet you won't be able to use WeChat or Alipay not order Didi taxis. It's not impossible to survive without this but it will make your life more difficult, so either be patient and try and get a SIM in Xinjiang (you'll need to translate your passport in Chinese), or have a foreign SIM card that allows cheap roaming in China.
Top tip if some reason you cannot link your bank card to Alipay/WeChat or payment doesn't always work, you can create a virtual bank card with the Shanghai bank by looking for the "Tour Card" mini app on Alipay. You then just have to top up that card and link it to your accounts, works great for me. Also if you have Android, download the Gaode Map/Amap app, it's in Chinese but it has lots of details and includes public transport. And remember to download and install a VPN before you go, Astrill is the one recommend by all expats.
Happy travels !
I crossed the border from Kazakhstan to China via Khorgos four days ago.
I took a bus from Almaty (Sayran station) to Yining. I bought my ticket at the station two days before, 12,000 Tenge. Departure at 7 a.m., crossing the border around 12 p.m., arriving in Yining around 8:30 p.m. There's definitely two bus companies and I think the other one has departures at 8:00 and 10:30. In any case take snacks with you!
I chose to sleep two nights in Yining not to rush, but I think it's possible to catch a night train to Urumqi the same day. The Almaty/Urumqi train has still not resumed since COVID.
On the Kazak side it was very easy, passport check and baggage scan. On the Chinese side, you fill out a Health Declaration at the terminals upon arrival. For me it was done on automatic screens where you just scan your passport, I didn't need to use my phone. Also an Arrival Card to fill out. For address and telephone number I put those of my hotel in Yining and it worked. About ten minutes of questions at passport check (What's your job? Why are you unemployed now? How long do you want to stay? What cities will you visit? etc. so be ready to answer a few questions about your itinerary even if it means lying a little, do not say that you'll be staying a while in Xinjiang), fingerprints taken. Rechecked the bags and it was good. No bag or phone searches. Note that most of the staff speak at least a little English, but just in case I advise you to download Chinese as a language on Google trad, so if necessary you can do translation even offline.
We got out of the bus with the bags the first time on the Kazak side, then we got back in, then we came out again on the Chinese side, then we got back up for the rest of the journey to Yining. There are passengers from other buses passing at the same time, so try and remember what the bus looks like, and then the faces of some passengers on your bus
In Yining I stayed at Stop Youth hostel which you can book on Trip, they accept foreigners. Also to note that I've had zero police checks since I've entered the country.
Keep in mind that getting a SIM card in Xinjiang is very challenging. Without internet you won't be able to use WeChat or Alipay not order Didi taxis. It's not impossible to survive without this but it will make your life more difficult, so either be patient and try and get a SIM in Xinjiang (you'll need to translate your passport in Chinese), or have a foreign SIM card that allows cheap roaming in China.
Top tip if some reason you cannot link your bank card to Alipay/WeChat or payment doesn't always work, you can create a virtual bank card with the Shanghai bank by looking for the "Tour Card" mini app on Alipay. You then just have to top up that card and link it to your accounts, works great for me. Also if you have Android, download the Gaode Map/Amap app, it's in Chinese but it has lots of details and includes public transport. And remember to download and install a VPN before you go, Astrill is the one recommend by all expats.
Happy travels !
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Re: Almaty-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
Short Summary on the Urumqi Bus, I will get in more detail some time later:
- the price is 25.400 Tenge / about 50€ for 1 pax
- It’s was a normal Bus, not a sleeper Bus
- Took 18 hours in total to Urumqi
- Departure was supposed to be at 8 am (Kazakh Time), but we departed at 9, due to some paper work or whatever. We were at the Sairan Busstation at 7:30
- there were two small stops before arriving the border
- we got to the border at 2:30 pm, left it at 5 pm (both Almaty time)
- border experience on Chinese side was similar to the posts in this forum, took 90 minutes including searching of luggage and phones
- short after the border there is a break for dinner
- better change some money in Almaty and bring some Yuan, we could pay the dinner only by cash
- We arrived Urumqi at about 5:30 am (local time, +2 hours to Almaty) and were dropped of at some street in south east of Urumqi.
- We managed to get a taxi, which we also could pay in cash, since WeChat Payment first didnt work for us
- eSim from Nomad works so far
- the price is 25.400 Tenge / about 50€ for 1 pax
- It’s was a normal Bus, not a sleeper Bus
- Took 18 hours in total to Urumqi
- Departure was supposed to be at 8 am (Kazakh Time), but we departed at 9, due to some paper work or whatever. We were at the Sairan Busstation at 7:30
- there were two small stops before arriving the border
- we got to the border at 2:30 pm, left it at 5 pm (both Almaty time)
- border experience on Chinese side was similar to the posts in this forum, took 90 minutes including searching of luggage and phones
- short after the border there is a break for dinner
- better change some money in Almaty and bring some Yuan, we could pay the dinner only by cash
- We arrived Urumqi at about 5:30 am (local time, +2 hours to Almaty) and were dropped of at some street in south east of Urumqi.
- We managed to get a taxi, which we also could pay in cash, since WeChat Payment first didnt work for us
- eSim from Nomad works so far
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Re: Almaty-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
Ok so long summary of our trip and more details. We bought the tickets a week in advance, but you can buy them a day before if you want. The tickets were 12500 tengue per person (25€ per person).les_roamers wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:29 amHi ! We bought tickets for the Almaty-Urumqi bus yesterday (21th of October 2023) so I guess it’s running again. There are buses daily at 8am going either to Yinning or to Urumqi. Our trip is on the 26th so we will post an update then !
We left at 8am from Sayran bus station. The bus wasn’t full and both of our bikes went in the trunk, no box needed, we didn’t even need to take the front wheel off.
So trip is long (around 22h), with breaks every 1 or 2 hours for food and toilets (nobody had food with them, they all bought as we went).
The border passing took us 1 or 2 hours. On the Kazakh side it’s fast : scan every panier, stamp our passport, and then we got back into the bus. On the Chinese side it was easier than expected : scan every panier again, fill in immigration form (/!\ you will need a local phone number, I had none and it took quite a long time for them to run out of patience and accept that I put in my French number. You can put in the phone number of your hotel, I just hadn’t book anything yet.),be asked a few questions by the guard (what are you planning to do here, what is your job, how come do you have that many vacation days, is this your first time here,… nothing too hard to answer. Our phones were not checked at all !), get the stamp and off you go !
We arrived in Urumqi at 6am local time (dropped in the middle of nowhere in the city, you either have to take a taxi or bike around 15km to the train station.
We didn’t bike in China, we sent our bikes to the other side of the country with Chinese Railway Express (CRE) and we crossed the country by train. The CRE office is located next the the train station (just ask someone there to guide you) and you can send your bikes (no box needed) or luggage to any train station in China. This said station will keep your stuff indefinitely but there is a storage fee.
We didn’t have any Chinese money. WeChat payment doesn’t work with our European cards but Alipay works well and seems to be accepted everywhere, it is also useful to book taxis and get bus cards.
We couldn’t buy a local SIM card as foreigners but Nomad works well.
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Re: Almaty-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
Question.
Do you mention you go by bus during the visa application? or you book a flight ticket and cancel that after you get the visa?
Do you mention you go by bus during the visa application? or you book a flight ticket and cancel that after you get the visa?
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Re: Yining-Almaty bus Q&A
I wonder if this route from Yining to Zharkent still operates in winter time. I am in Xinjiang at the moment (Dec 2023) and looking into this option to leave Xinjiang.
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Re: Almaty-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
Hi everyone, did the crossing yesterday without having booked anything before.
I took a collective taxi around 13:00 from Sayran bus station to Жаркент bus station (probably arrived at 17:30) with 2 really funny babushkas that were also going to Urumqui . Then a big bus left around 18:00 and arrived at the border around 19:00. It took us forever to pass the border but eventually we did it. Then still with the two babushkas and two other women we paid for a minibus directly to Urumqui (there are plenty awaiting at the end off the border process, below the huge gate). With the minibus we left at 21:30 and arrive at 6:00 at the hotel.
Prices were :
• 10 000 tengue to go from Sayran bus station to Жаркент bus station but you can probably get it for 5000
• 4 500 tengue to cross the border with the big bus (fixed price)
• 300 yen each to go to Urumqui (not the cheapest but works, I was super glad to find something so late)
So not the cheapest but considering everything was last minute, I am pretty happy. Best option would probably have been to take the 21:30 train from Yinning to Urumqui.
Remarks:
• They don't know about euros for money exchange so they offer pretty bad exchange rates also I didn't bother to bargain on this one but that was a problem because nobody could exchanged me money at the hotel or wasn't aware of an ATM nearby. In the end some really nice Pakistani dude exchanged my euro for yen at the hotel.
• I had a visa even though I don't need it anymore coming from France and it was still soooo many questions at the border, this is quite insane. I followed usual advice, you don't know anyone living in China, better book an hotel before and give that address (even if you cancel after).
• And to reply to MichelG, you can book flight in advance and cancel them after getting you visa.
• Kazan people are so nice
I took a collective taxi around 13:00 from Sayran bus station to Жаркент bus station (probably arrived at 17:30) with 2 really funny babushkas that were also going to Urumqui . Then a big bus left around 18:00 and arrived at the border around 19:00. It took us forever to pass the border but eventually we did it. Then still with the two babushkas and two other women we paid for a minibus directly to Urumqui (there are plenty awaiting at the end off the border process, below the huge gate). With the minibus we left at 21:30 and arrive at 6:00 at the hotel.
Prices were :
• 10 000 tengue to go from Sayran bus station to Жаркент bus station but you can probably get it for 5000
• 4 500 tengue to cross the border with the big bus (fixed price)
• 300 yen each to go to Urumqui (not the cheapest but works, I was super glad to find something so late)
So not the cheapest but considering everything was last minute, I am pretty happy. Best option would probably have been to take the 21:30 train from Yinning to Urumqui.
Remarks:
• They don't know about euros for money exchange so they offer pretty bad exchange rates also I didn't bother to bargain on this one but that was a problem because nobody could exchanged me money at the hotel or wasn't aware of an ATM nearby. In the end some really nice Pakistani dude exchanged my euro for yen at the hotel.
• I had a visa even though I don't need it anymore coming from France and it was still soooo many questions at the border, this is quite insane. I followed usual advice, you don't know anyone living in China, better book an hotel before and give that address (even if you cancel after).
• And to reply to MichelG, you can book flight in advance and cancel them after getting you visa.
• Kazan people are so nice
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Re: Almaty-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
Hello
this is my first post on this forum, so my question can be weird but I'm trying to understand visa process fro people wanting to travel from Kazakhstan to China. People were writing about taking a bus to the border crossing, with all details, which is fantastic. However, I still don't understand how they obtained a Chinese travel visa. One person wrote that the visa sticker was checked by a Chinese border officer, but where this sticker/visa can be given? In Chinese embassy in Kazakhstan, or over internet and it must be done prior to the border crossing? Or maybe the Chinese travel visa is given on arrival? This part is unclear to me. I'm planning trip next year and it will be Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, then China and to Pakistan, but to be honest I'm very confused with obtaining Chinese tourist visa, because I still don't know if they would give the visa on arrival on one of those crossing borders, or it has to be applied earlier? But if earlier, how to do this?
Jola
this is my first post on this forum, so my question can be weird but I'm trying to understand visa process fro people wanting to travel from Kazakhstan to China. People were writing about taking a bus to the border crossing, with all details, which is fantastic. However, I still don't understand how they obtained a Chinese travel visa. One person wrote that the visa sticker was checked by a Chinese border officer, but where this sticker/visa can be given? In Chinese embassy in Kazakhstan, or over internet and it must be done prior to the border crossing? Or maybe the Chinese travel visa is given on arrival? This part is unclear to me. I'm planning trip next year and it will be Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, then China and to Pakistan, but to be honest I'm very confused with obtaining Chinese tourist visa, because I still don't know if they would give the visa on arrival on one of those crossing borders, or it has to be applied earlier? But if earlier, how to do this?
Jola
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Re: Almaty-Urumqi bus: reports, Q&A
@JolantaS (above): Wrong tread. Check the “Visas & embassy reports” unless you are on the Visa free list normally you’ll have to get your China visa in your home country or at your residence. Also the english Wikipedia “Visa policy of China” is up-to-date.
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Re: Yining-Almaty bus Q&A
Confirmed that everything is open throughout December. I crossed Khorgos border to Almaty on 18 Dec 2023 without problem. 180rmb per bus ticket from Khorgos (Huoerguosi) all the way to Almaty. Immigration controls on both side took around 3 hours in total because there were many people (mostly Chinese and Kazakh), with loads and loads of goods they brought along needed to be unloaded and scanned. I did not encounter difficulties at both immigration controls, just a few questions from China side and waiting time for them to check if I am eligible for Kazakhstan visa-free. I have a Vietnamese passport and the Chinese authority has really given me a very easy time throughout Xinjiang.
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