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Re: Altyn Emel National Park Tour Share

Postby mazeno » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:29 am

i suppose cycling in altyn emel is not a good idea:
the permit is only for 2 days/one night stay,
the night camp is strictly restricted (there are only two places*, the fines for illegal camping are high, rangers patrolling are common),
there is almost 300km of the tracks at all (kalinino->dunes 45km one way, kalinino->aktau 90km one way - and you have to go back nearly to kalinino to get from the dunes to aktau),
mostly the road surface is terrible "tralka" (i don't know english word for it - does anybody know? it is hardly shaking gravel, with transverse minislots, which destroys every kind of vehicle by vibrations),
no water, no shadow on the way.

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https://goo.gl/maps/6zgaMxcGESJHHcAB7
https://goo.gl/maps/wKaN33qFiDXrVK8G9
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Re: Altyn Emel National Park Tour Share

Postby meg2 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:55 pm

About rough "road" and so on : I am used to cycle through places where car drivers think cycling is not a good idea, and I definitely enjoy it more than sitting in a car , or than cycling on good roads with heavy traffic.

mazeno wrote:the permit is only for 2 days/one night stay

OK, but if it is not expensive, and if one needs to come back almost to Basshiy when going from Singing Dune to Aktau, I may consider buying a second 2 days permit.

mazeno wrote:the night camp is strictly restricted (there are only two places)

thanks for this precise information ! The first spot, about 10 km north of the dunes, is the one I was thinking about for water refill. About fines, is there any risk if one exits the park elsewhere than at Kalinino/Basshiy entrance ?
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Re: Altyn Emel National Park Tour Share

Postby mazeno » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:41 am

> if it is not expensive
not too much - 800 kzt/person/day + vehicle 200/night (bicycle/tricycle maybe free?) + some small fee for ecology or smtg like this.

> I am used to cycle through places where car drivers think cycling is not a good idea
everyone is tough untill... ;)
see below.

> from Singing Dune to Aktau, I may consider buying a second 2 days permit
really, no way to cycle from basshi to aktau in one day, not mentioning two ways (there is no camping there, rangers will not give the permit for cycling that part). i was cycling for some years, also. once made more than 200km in a day in the mountains with bags. so i know what i'm taking about.
it is easier to take a hitch-hike with a tourist group from the office in basshi.

you wrote (i don't speak french, google translate):
"Après le col de Khargush on rejoint la route M41 par une piste qui nous donne une belle occasion de méditer longuement sur l'efficacité des phénomènes de résonance responsables de la formation de la "tôle ondulée", puis du fait qu'à vélo, on ne peut pas descendre sur cette fichue "tôle ondulée à plus de 8 ou 9 km/h"

and "tralka" is "tole ondulee". this 90km is mostly "tralka", somewhere sands. i was driving my car (which is not a soft passenger car and i don't really handle gently with it, ask steven) from the nightcamp north of dunes to aktau, via katutau, and back to basshi, almost all the day - from the early morning to the late afternoon (9-10 hours, including 2 hours of walking in aktau).
and the temperatures are not so pleasant as in pamir.
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Re: Altyn Emel National Park Tour Share

Postby meg2 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:59 pm

OK, I will see. Maybe cycle only to the dunes, and then share a car.

But one more question : according to
https://caravanistan.com/kazakhstan/alm ... ommodation
we can camp for free almost anywhere in the parc, except the central reserve.

And according to 2 messages in this discussion, it is forbidden to camp everywehre except near the ranger's house north of the Singing Dune.

Does anyone know which version is obsolete ?
Or is it like in many french natural parcs, where CAMPING is forbidden, but BIVOUAC is allowed ?
Or ???
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Re: Altyn Emel National Park Tour Share

Postby Julia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:35 pm

Difficult question.
From what I heard it's not allowed to drive or park a car out of touristic roads and campsites (or hotels).
As for hikers and cyclists there is even less info. As almost all people drive around the park.
But I didn't find official information about that.
Only found on Altyn Emel official web site that camping spots are:
- Shygan (near Basshi)
- Mynbulak (next one)
- Kosbastau (700 years old willow)
- Aktau mountains (near the rest area)

Either Shygan or Mynbulak is referred as a ranger house. Not sure which one?
Other travellers mentioned that they needed to drive to one of those spots for a night camp. And do that before 6 or 7 pm. As driving after that time is not allowed.

Interesting, Caravanistan article says it's allowed to camp anywhere. Strange that no other travellers mentioned that they camped anywhere out of official campsites.

Would be great to talk to the rangers in Basshi and clarify all details with them.
Or hopefully someone can share latest updates on the rules.

Btw, although camping in Aktau is allowed, there is no water at all.
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Re: Altyn Emel National Park Tour Share

Postby mazeno » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:04 am

probably (because of growing amount of tourists, i guess) park has set these two places additionally.

ad:
- Shygan (near Basshi) - the first pinpoint in my previous post, there is a rangers' farm,
- Mynbulak (next one) - the second pin, rangers' farm,
- Kosbastau (700 years old willow) - last time i was there in 2017 - there was only rangers' farm, no campsite,
- Aktau mountains (near the rest area) - in 2017 there was no campsite, only parking place and a small rangers' booth (there is no water source in the area, so campsite may be difficult to set).

camping, bivouac, sleepeing, even staying in your campervan or rooftop tent - the name doesn't matter.
you can stay for the night only in these fixed places.
i was (long)taking to rangers (also about places for nightstops) twice (2012, 2017) - no other possibility. in 2012 i was asked to drive out of the park to the oposite side of the road a353 to camp and come back in the next morning, as i came to the park about 8pm (afterwork hours). and i can understand it.

guys, it is a national park.
maybe let's not change the rules for our conveniences.
anyway, there is already too much move there, and really random tourists are coming*, including wise and silly - i saw even young people spraying graffiti on the walls of aktau george.
and altyn emel is one of the not many places where species of en-risk of the red list live (e.g. jayran - blacktail antelope, kulan - wild donkey).

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* - tourists in 2018:
8,5 mln in kzh
1,4 mln in kgz
0,9 mln in tjk
4,4 mln in uzb (january-september)
for comparition:
1,2 mln in nepal, whih is very popular destination for years.
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